On admin-ship

[Chicago63]

I was talking with Ash on steam, and it came to my attention that some admins right now feel as if they should stay as Admins instead of step down as moderators. Right now they're just acting as moderators, that is, Whitelisting, Regulating users, Boosting RP, etc.

However, as stated by Ash, they don't really know what being an admin is. They need to know precisely how to manage plugins and use the console. If Ash were to just snap one day, delete all the plugins, and then leave, Skalas would be knee-deep in trouble, since the other admins wouldn't know what to do, and would probably end up further breaking Skalas.

Therefore, I am with Ash when I say that some Admins need to step down from their position and become moderators. Keep in mind that they will have have all the same powers of what they actually do now, they'll just be in a less dangerous position concerning Plugins and Perma-bans.

Thanks for reading, and I hope I didn't offend anybody personally, since that's not what I intended this post to be.

[ashtheking]

Admins, don't post in this. Let the player base, which you claim i'm out of touch with, post here and let's see what they think.

::EDIT::

Changed to an announcement.

[Zomgman]

Why dont you just teach the admins to use the console and such, Problem SOLVED.

[catplanetcatplanet]

That's backwards. They should become admins for knowing the console, not learn the console because they're admins.

[bloberis]

Because its what I do, I'm ignoring ash and saying this: I honestly am a moderator, and would be fine with stepping down to one, and its not like I was ever given console access anyway. However, the idea that Umune should not be an admin because he doesn't manage the plugins is just outrageous, considering all the poo poo he has done and still does for the server.

I'd also like the mention that Ash started this rant after asking about a plugin that both Umune and I voted nay on, but of course if Ash was the only admin he could do whatever he wanted with plugins.

So now you have the biased opinions of both sides, instead of just one. Have fun!

[ashtheking]

I will step out of my own statement to respond to that, so you get my side better.

1. "All umune has done...."
R: He hasn't done anything that a moderator status will stop him from doing.
2. "started this rant after asking about a plugin"
R: False. I started the rant after Umune claimed HE would have to manage yet another plugin, which is BS.

My point here is that having admins who don't know crap about the console or the plugins is bad for a server. The other admins claim that they'll have to manage another plugin, but they're deluding themselves if they really think that they'll be doing a lot of work. I'm the one adding the plugin, editing the config, etc. Hell, I was the one adding half the stuff for heroes.

I need admins I can depend on to manage plugins and configure them, to truly keep the server running and working without me having to step in, so I can take a week off and they can still update to a new MC build, or from that to bukkit.

Blob works well as a moderator, he hasn't done much more than that. Umune provides the paypal for the server, and that's pretty much his only supporting point for being an admin. Otherwise, what he's done has been powers of a moderator.

To use an analogy Chicago provided, They're spiderman, but they're just swinging on monkey-bars on a playground. Or something like that.

[Zomgman]

I just realised, I hosted a bukkit server before, i know how that stuff works, i never got to make the console work though but i didnt need it

[bloberis]

I am going to attempt to be objective here for a tiny bit, I might fail.
What I see Ash do: Manage the plugins and all that technobabble, ask people what they think of this technobabble or that technobabble, godmod.
What I see Umune do: Build tons of things, stop people from doing dumbass things, make sure everything is going smoothly
What I see me do: Kill people for spamming XP potions on them selves, kick people when they bother me/for teh luls, eat hard candy, be sexy.

That is mostly objective.

[Umune]

Enough of the bickering. A resolution has been achieved. I talked with Ash. More details from him.

[catplanetcatplanet]

Mar 5, 2012 16:10:31 GMT -5 bloberis said:

What I see me do: be sexy.

No, no, blob. You have to sell it.

[rexstorm]

I also have a lot of experience with a console

[catplanetcatplanet]

No, you can not be an admin.

[ashtheking]

Okay, so as Umune stated, we talked. I then talked to other people about servers in general, and to other admins.

New Admin Hierarchy (Based off the Syslab)

1. Master Admin (Ash) -- Knows all the things.
2. Admin -- Master of a few similar things, better than Ash in those.
3. Moderator -- Handles whitelisting, kicking, banning, RP, etc.

Moderators are in-training admins. They are learning about a few plugins, and handle general server moderation. Admins are masters in their chosen field of plugins / server stuff, but still know basic admin tasks. They handle bugs in those plugins generally.

Required Plugins for all Admin's and Mods to know
1. Essentials (admin commands at minimum) -- Important, some of the most used administration commands, ie. Jail, Kick, Ban, etc.
2. Herochat (All commands) -- Quite important. Chats, mutes, etc.
3. World-Edit (Most commands) -- Self-evident how important it is.
4. WorldGuard (Region commands, common flags) -- Protection and messing with things.

Required knowledge for Admins
1. Moderator powers (kick, ban, whitelist, mute, etc.)
2. Adding plugins
3. Adding permissions to lower groups than yourself
4. Basic Multicraft Knowledge (go read the docs)
5. How to google when you don't know one of these.

An Admin specializes in some plugin or server feature, and knows all these well.


Now, i'm not pushing for a lot of admins. But the admins and mods we do have must adhere to these principles. I'm editing PEX (Permissions) to support the new hierarchy.

[Chicago63]

Sounds good.

[Clue314]

Perfect, now I can not worry about entering this conversation, and resume planning to conquer the mortal realm.